Posted 06 February 2009 - 11:35 PM
Posted 07 February 2009 - 08:55 AM
You'll know that I envy anyone with the hand/eye skills to produce the sort of artist's impression that really sells an idea, and you'll remember that my first wife gave birth 41 years ago to a Luddite who throws things at me whenever I mention CAD, but quite apart from the fact that a lot of customers now expect to see a CAD drawing, many of us lack the artistic ability that enables the realisation of a vaguely expressed idea into something tangible, so CAD is the only option. Well, not the ONLY option as we've discussed elsewhere, but a lot easier, faster and more convenient than a drawing board.
When I watch my son at his drawing board it's like watching him at an easel. Me? I'm sitting slouched over the desk, coffee in one hand, mouse in the other. 41-year-old Luddite vs 65-year-old techie. I'd like to do it his (your) way but just can't make it to the starting line because I know I'm gonna come an ignominious last.
Posted 07 February 2009 - 09:29 AM
i can take my laptop to a customer and show them their project in 3D make alterations and let them see it in real time. i can change roof designs, move windows, move partitions,change the materials from say brick to render. all why they sit there and watch.
Posted 07 February 2009 - 10:05 AM
At the stage you're talking about Agb, you have to admit that the kind of precise detail available on CAD isn't really necessary. At that point you're about 'concepts' and 'ideas' which are, at best, "sketchy" anyway - hence the expression.
Where CAD does come into its own is the 3D walk-through. It's what enabled me to sell this place to my wife because she couldn't get her head around the potential I could see. Likewise "testing" to see if, say, a particular stair layout will in fact work in an awkward location.
Personally, I'd give my right arm to be able to do BOTH.
Posted 07 February 2009 - 10:34 AM
I dont think you can beat the viewing capacity of design software to potential customers , i can view the building with roof on roof off , pan , zoom in or out, it really is amazing stuff at the top end of the market.
the ability to freehand draw is of course an art and i am jealous of it no end, but i have to admit i havnt come across many "professionals" (being careful not to start another free for all) in my time that could do that, but i have seen a few pavement artists who could.
Posted 07 February 2009 - 01:46 PM
Posted 07 February 2009 - 02:26 PM
And, of course, memories of dear old Fred Dibnah.
Posted 07 February 2009 - 07:24 PM
Err...not a computer generated drawing in sight. That's not to say, of course, that these buildings were put together without CAD drawings, but they are completely unnecessary to the thought process.
Posted 08 February 2009 - 12:38 PM
Since my last post I have made real progress with 3D and CL and the final production of CAD drawings for planning permission is in sight.
(Message edited by Kaizer on February 08, 2009)
Posted 08 February 2009 - 03:50 PM
I still stick to my premise that CAD is not a design tool, just a drawing tool. So, if it forces you to decide how things join...great!
Posted 08 February 2009 - 05:12 PM
Posted 08 February 2009 - 06:17 PM
In years gone by, when it has been necessary to present a proposed design in a format more readily understood by the lay person, then a 1:50 scale, 3D cardboard model produced from elevation and plan drawings has worked well.
Posted 10 February 2009 - 12:13 PM
It's only a tool that is quicker than drawing by hand and has huge benefits. CAD is quicker, and time is money.
Posted 10 February 2009 - 09:01 PM
Design is all about decision making about the rooms you want, the daylight, materials and planes joining (apologies if I am preaching to the converted).
It seems to me that it is far better that self builders should explore what they want to see...in terms of space, daylight, materials and err structure before turning out soulless CAD drawings which, by their very nature, will convey little other than something to gain outline planning.
Temp is absolutely right...you can get corruagted card free from supermarkets...make models, tear them apart, involve the whole family...have fun...forget computers.
There were no computers for the early years of St Pancras...lots of sketches and models
Posted 10 February 2009 - 10:57 PM
But with my business, which is mainly planning apps & building reg submissions for small scale domestic projects/extensions, I think CAD is invaluable and I embraced it when I set up on my own. It's not so much about design, but with fitting what the client wants into a certain sized box. I do however, still keep an old board and set of pens tucked away for the occasional job though!
Posted 11 February 2009 - 06:29 AM
I cant imagine any large and complicated structure built now that wouldnt use computers at all stages.
dont get me wrong i admire what you do and respect your view, but its 2009 and people just expect it nowadays. Its a sign of the times
Posted 11 February 2009 - 08:33 PM
Interested in that sun path software though.
Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:12 PM
Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:32 PM
I won't change, but if, once I have put a sketch together my lad can bolt on a sun path, you know, "does that upstairs orial window really catch the sun 5 months of the year" I will be impressed, and so will the clients.
Still got the 0.5mm to hand though J...swift sketches!!
Posted 11 February 2009 - 09:38 PM
I think the problem here is that people are pehaps at crossed purposes, Caliwag is talking mainly about self build I think, upon which I take his point.This is a self build forum after all.
But for churning out applications it has to be CAD all the way. And yes I can also make the sun come up as well, and the moon also if I want to see how it looks at night!!!