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#1 Barney12

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 02:07 PM

So, I've often pondered this.......

I can buy a level like this one for less than £20:

http://www.toolstati...p85121?table=no

Or i can buy this one for just shy of £55:

http://www.toolstati...p90725?table=no

Asside from build quality why would I bother. Both are the same length, both are going to be accurate enough taking into account manual viewing of a bubble.

I'll pay more for a branded power tool (such as Bosch Blue) because they are of obvious quality/accuracy over the cheap Chinese rubbish AND you get three years of warranty. But with a spirit level I'm not sure I'm getting it?

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 02:15 PM

:) Accuracy? Can you just confirm that you know how to check for that in a spirit level?

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 02:19 PM

View Postjoiner, on 28 April 2016 - 02:15 PM, said:

:) Accuracy? Can you just confirm that you know how to check for that in a spirit level?

Yes, via the rotation method.
I have a Silverline 1200mm level which cost me less than a fiver. Its perfectly accurate even after a couple of years of use.

EDIT: I lied its unbranded. I'm sure it did come from Toolstation though and that means it probably is Silverline.

Edited by Barney12, 28 April 2016 - 02:20 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2016 - 02:29 PM

Strange, I bought a reasonable cheap Stabila level from TS recently. Don't seem to do it now.

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 02:53 PM

View PostBarney12, on 28 April 2016 - 02:07 PM, said:

So, I've often pondered this.......

I can buy a level like this one for less than £20:

http://www.toolstati...p85121?table=no

You can buy 4 of them from Screwfix* for less than £30:

http://www.screwfix....piece-set/9810c

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Asside from build quality why would I bother

Er. You wouldn't? Unless you cared about things being plumb and level enough to adjust them there and then in the shop, so they're calibrated to the more expensive one.. Or unless you had to "make face" in front of other trades on a site.

I've got a set of those FS levels, and the 1200 mm one (the most useful one) is ever so slightly out compared to the others.. probably 1mm in a metre. The window fitter had the exact same set (new/unused/just purchased) and his 1200 is out by the same amount.. He's going to take his back, i'm going to tap the adjustment lugs on mine with a small hammer til it's right.

What's amusing is, I'm more interested in accuracy than he is; he set the cill of my 4 metre high windows then complained that the top of my opening was about 5mm out. When I checked the cill (1.2m) it was 1mm down on one end..
"Funny that" I said


* when it's open. Cough

Edited by cjard, 29 April 2016 - 08:29 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2016 - 03:19 PM

Just how big do Stanley think pockets are?! (1.8m level described as pocket-sized in Barney's second link)

#7 Barney12

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 03:29 PM

View PostDavidFrancis, on 28 April 2016 - 03:19 PM, said:

Just how big do Stanley think pockets are?! (1.8m level described as pocket-sized in Barney's second link)

Down ere in Devon we have deep pockets and short arms ;)

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 03:33 PM

Oih I resemble that remark.





Devon , its the place to be.

Edited by Barnyrubble, 28 April 2016 - 03:33 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2016 - 03:37 PM

I,m working on it, my build is near Bude, where are you guys?

#10 Barney12

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 03:50 PM

View Postjoe90, on 28 April 2016 - 03:37 PM, said:

I,m working on it, my build is near Bude, where are you guys?

I'm on the National Park. Drop me a PM if you want to know where, I'm a bit old fashioned about revealing the location of my tools and materials on an open forum. :)

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 03:57 PM

You Janners know nothing about short arms and deep pockets :ph34r:

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 04:03 PM

View PostSteamyTea, on 28 April 2016 - 03:57 PM, said:

You Janners know nothing about short arms and deep pockets :ph34r:

Pah. You can't even put the jam n cream on a scone properly. :ph34r:

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 04:31 PM

View PostBarney12, on 28 April 2016 - 04:03 PM, said:



Pah. You can't even put the jam n cream on a scone properly. :ph34r:

I know we will be in Devon but I prefer the Cornish way, cream first then jam :)

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 04:49 PM

View Postjoe90, on 28 April 2016 - 04:31 PM, said:

I know we will be in Devon but I prefer the Cornish way, cream first then jam :)

OMG! Thats soooo wrong! :D

EDIT: You will never be allowed to become a local. Even after you've served your 20 year minimum term as a blow-in!

Edited by Barney12, 28 April 2016 - 04:50 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2016 - 04:51 PM

All my house stuff levels are all cheap ones, because they get covered in crap. None have shifted in adjustment despite being abused. The main difference between a cheap one and more expensive one is that often the cheap ones can't be adjusted, so if they shift out of level then there's no easy way to adjust them. My only adjustable level is a nice, long, cast iron engineers level, that is super accurate (as in has better sensitivity in the bubble - a greater radius in the bubble tube) and is easy to adjust with locking thumb screws. Not suitable for site use at all, but very useful for setting up a cast iron surface table dead level that can then be used to check other levels, using the rotation method.

Edited by jsharris, 28 April 2016 - 04:52 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2016 - 05:33 PM

jsharris, I think you have just Hi Jacked this thread.

Now lets get back to some resemblance of sanity here.

Jam First, as its spreadable, and dense.
Clotted Cream on top as it's a topping. This clotted cream should be Shoveled on to be appreciated.

Any other way is just so bad.

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 05:38 PM

:P Bugger off you southerners with your posh cream teas. ;)

Yeah, it's the stability in the bubble that determines whether I consider a level "quality". My son-in-law still uses a cheap aluminium one I bought back in the 70s and it's a beaut. It's lost the plastic inserts off the ends but the bubble is slow and stable.

I first 'reverse check' a level with the bubble centred between the lines and then raise one end so that the bubble aligns precisely with the inside edge of one line and then reverse it to check it against the opposite line. Overkill, but it's just a habit I've never got out of, since being ordered to do it by an old guy I once worked with. He also tore me apart for coiling a 25 yard extension cable by starting with one end and working to the other, insisting that it was both quicker and avoided causing a tangle if you plug the two ends together and then coil it over your elbow and between your thumb and forefinger, as you would a climbing rope. It works.

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 05:54 PM

View PostBarnyrubble, on 28 April 2016 - 05:33 PM, said:

jsharris, I think you have just Hi Jacked this thread.

Now lets get back to some resemblance of sanity here.

Jam First, as its spreadable, and dense.
Clotted Cream on top as it's a topping. This clotted cream should be Shoveled on to be appreciated.

Any other way is just so bad.

Agree with everything you've said. :D

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 06:05 PM

View PostBarney12, on 28 April 2016 - 02:19 PM, said:

Yes, via the rotation method.

How often do you check yours? I have never ever checked one...... :(

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Posted 28 April 2016 - 06:13 PM

My main level ia an aluminium one I inherited from my dad so is probably as old as I am, if not older. Never let me down.

In my last (present) house I swear the builder who built my (blockwork) garage had a duff level, as the brick piers are half an inch thicker out from the wall at the top than they are at the bottom, so the wall is leaning out one way, and the inside of the pier leaning out the other way. If he had held the level the other way up it would be tapering in.

I did have a big adjustable one once but I don't know what happened to it. I suspect it got lost in the move from Oxfordhsire to the Highlands and it's probably still lukking in the back of my sisters garage where we stored a lot of stuff for a year or two.