Builders Are Running Out Of Land - Really!?
Posted 21 April 2016 - 05:42 AM
We have a narrow entrance road to the village, little wider than a country lane, that is being severely damaged by the movement of heavy lorries over the past several months, one side of which is collapsing, during the phased construction of 87 houses on two separate estates on the edge(s) of the village, 58 of which are outside the development boundary but which got through because our 5 year housing land supply hadn't been signed off at the time of the developer's SECOND appeal against refusal. Repair and reinforcement of that short section of road will take about two weeks, requiring a detour of 15 miles.
Oh, and the only other road into the village - on the southern approach - is also collapsing, this time across its whole width, due to the passage of heavy construction traffic.
And 'oh' again... once those 87 houses are complete another 30 are scheduled to start construction. And at the end of the year the next round of the Development Plan will likely see earlier speculative applications re-emerge for the building of (at least) 50 houses.
Posted 21 April 2016 - 06:06 AM
Is it any property developer, the local council, the transport department or central government?
All to often I hear this argument that the infrastructure cannot cope.
But down here they have put in a sizeable new road for new housing that is currently being developed, so it does happen, in the right order.
There is also a proposal for a new development of housing on the outskirts of St Agnes, adding to the development that happened a few years back. I hear the same recycled arguments that I heard last time, not enough places in schools, too much traffic, no footpath, they were unfounded last time, and will be this time.
Edited by SteamyTea, 21 April 2016 - 06:07 AM.
Posted 21 April 2016 - 06:11 AM
Edited by jsharris, 21 April 2016 - 06:15 AM.
Posted 21 April 2016 - 06:13 AM
Posted 21 April 2016 - 06:21 AM
One of the local "anti-new build" activists had a rant in the local paper a few months ago, pointing out that if all the houses that currently had planning permission were built within the next 5 years we would have exceeded the 5 year target by around 80%. This won't happen because the houses will only be built and sold at a rate that keeps the price up. The last thing the big developers want is to release several hundred houses to the local market in a short space of time, as that would cause a dip in prices.
Posted 21 April 2016 - 06:30 AM
Why couldn't I have thought that through for myself?
But, in Lancaster, there's a 'bubble' (some starter and some 'executive') of building going through at the moment - at least several hundred. And no sign of a price dip.
Posted 21 April 2016 - 06:57 AM
"It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest." Adam Smith
Posted 21 April 2016 - 07:23 AM
We looked at the cause, and it seemed that it was, in part, due to the arrangements we had made to help people we were relocating from Malvern, Farnborough, Winfrith etc get mortgages, as the thing driving prices down elsewhere was partly due to lenders being more restrictive.
Developers offer similar assistance with mortgages, or at least the big ones around here advertise that they do, so I think it's quite probable that releasing several hundred houses at one go to a market that normally only moves that number of houses over a whole year could negatively impact prices, as there would be fewer potential buyers around at any one time.
The housing market seems to have a very fine line between being "buyers market" or a "sellers market" as far as I can tell. Right now we're still in the situation where it's a "sellers market" here, with estate agents leafleting homes every week to try and persuade more people to sell. The big developments are phasing their completions and sales very carefully, AFAICS. I drive past three big developments (several hundred houses each) and I've noticed that one has been mothballed again last week, with just the footings down. This site was a hive of activity a month ago, but a month ago the marketing suite of another development two miles down the road wasn't open, and now it is. Perhaps the two events aren't linked, and there is another perfectly rational reason for a developer to just stop work. My suspicion is that as soon as the other development has sold it's first phase work will start again on the rival development, but then perhaps I'm just too cynical.........................
Edited by jsharris, 21 April 2016 - 07:24 AM.
Posted 21 April 2016 - 07:32 AM
Posted 21 April 2016 - 07:35 AM
I saw a friend of mine yesterday who has been trying to sell his house for as long as we have. "I have sold my house at last" So I asked him when does he move and where does he move to "We have to wait for our buyer to find a buyer for his house" So he's not really sold yet, he just has an interested buyer who is unable to proceed, almost certainly because first time buyers are buying the new houses with the help to buy incentive.
I do wish such schemes would not bother, or would at least apply to second hand houses as well so we have a level playing field.
It just seems uncanny to me that in a market where little is selling and the estate agents have the same houses for sale as they had months agio, that somewhiow the new developments seem to sell.
Edited by ProDave, 21 April 2016 - 07:44 AM.
Posted 21 April 2016 - 07:43 AM
Just for a laugh, I thought I would look up the miles of roads that Shropshire and Cornwall have, then divide it by the population of each country.
What are you on about, you have plenty of roads.
Shropshire 0.021104 miles/person (33.96 m/p)
Cornwall 0.017179 miles/person (27.64 m/p)
And you don't get the same sort of influx in the summer that we do
Edited by SteamyTea, 21 April 2016 - 07:46 AM.
Posted 21 April 2016 - 07:54 AM
Posted 21 April 2016 - 08:15 AM
Cornwall has none.
Shropshire has 347.8 miles of A road, Cornwall 433.
Shropshire has 2874.4 miles of B road, Cornwall 4139.3.
Shropshire is landlocked (I think), so by definition can take advantage of other counties infrastructure.
Cornwall has to have a historic battle with Devon about everything, even the best way to put jam on a scone.
Not looked at Scotch Data, don't you lot just import ponies from Shetland.
Quick google and it seems that Scotland has 37296 miles of roads and a population of 5.2million, so that will be 0.0071723 miles per person (11.5 m/p).
So you should have terrible traffic jams
Edited by SteamyTea, 21 April 2016 - 08:31 AM.
Posted 21 April 2016 - 09:05 AM
But they have indeed put massive road infrastructures in in Pool and Truro before building.
Posted 21 April 2016 - 09:14 AM
When I got my car MOT'd at Pool, there was a Redruth boy saying what a waste of money the new road was. He thought it went to nowhere.
I pointed out that a big slice of it was EU money and it was for the new housing development.
As he was a Redruth boy, he had no knowledge of the new housing at Camborne.
One very effective way to reduce congestion is to reduce speed limits. Not a popular method, but too many people 'race into a jam'.
My Mother never seems to get stuck in traffic, but the cars behind do
Edited by SteamyTea, 21 April 2016 - 09:15 AM.
Posted 21 April 2016 - 09:18 AM
Posted 21 April 2016 - 09:22 AM
Have you seen how shabby some of those new places are looking. White renders walls, facing North are not a good idea, especially when the seagulls have paid a visit.
I measured it, main bit is a mile, the other bit is half a mile.
Edited by SteamyTea, 21 April 2016 - 12:44 PM.
Posted 21 April 2016 - 02:27 PM
Go back and read what I said again and stop telling me I'm making something out of nothing.
Posted 21 April 2016 - 03:14 PM
You will have to spell it out for me.
Is it the new housing?
The lack of infrastructure?
The damage to existing infrastructure?
The way that planning is implemented?
The changes to society?
All of the above?