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#41 Onoff

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 08:32 AM

Well she's home.....sort of. At the neighbouring farm under a tarp whilst I make room in the garage for her next to the S. I've got my work cut out and there'll be plenty of cutting out:

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Underside is the worst bit by far. Along the sills both sides. This joint is a 3-piece lap where the floor lip turns down and gets spot welded to the inner sill and return lip of the outer sill. Luckily I've two OEM inner sills. Particularly bad on this one. The sunroof drains emptied into the sills believe it or not:

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This is the n/s rear lower corner, one of the "usual places" on the later Capris. Ford, in their wisdom decided to fill these areas with expanding foam!

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 09:42 AM

Looks like a bit of a project!

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 10:44 AM

Bathrooms doomed !
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Posted 23 April 2016 - 10:46 AM

Oh dear! I thought is was going to be better than that.

My days of dealing with that level of corrosion are behind me!

Hope you like welding?

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 10:56 AM

Roger, he's like the doctor from Back To The Future.
Where he's going he doesn't NEED roads ;).
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Posted 23 April 2016 - 01:52 PM

View PostRoger440, on 23 April 2016 - 10:46 AM, said:

Oh dear! I thought is was going to be better than that.

My days of dealing with that level of corrosion are behind me!

Hope you like welding?

There's no rush for one thing (do I ever). :lol:

It'll go on a roll over jig for welding access which I will make. I KNOW they can be bought for not much money but as usual there's no fun in that. Tbh I could do with TWO, one for the S shell I'm just in the midst of moving sideways in the garage to make room for this one and to act as a reference for this one. The front end of the S still has the front struts and wheels on and is on a couple of dollies. The back end has no rear axle so is sitting on it's springs. After this cuppa I'm just about to knock up some timber blocks so I can jack it & get the back on a dolly. The roll over spits I'll lift with farm jacks which'll be swappable between the two cars on spits.

I have accumulated most panels including as I say the inner sills. The "fun" is when you replace the easily available outer arch or lower corner but then have to make the inner. Scuttle won't be fun either!

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 06:25 PM

I totally sympathise. Now the cows are out and days longer I might find time to do some work on my Spitfire. Doesn't need much, certainly not open heart surgery like your project but need to sell now my son has lost interest. Anyone want one?

All best. M

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 06:42 PM

View PostOnoff, on 23 April 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

There's no rush for one thing (do I ever). :lol:

It'll go on a roll over jig for welding access which I will make. I KNOW they can be bought for not much money but as usual there's no fun in that. Tbh I could do with TWO, one for the S shell I'm just in the midst of moving sideways in the garage to make room for this one and to act as a reference for this one. The front end of the S still has the front struts and wheels on and is on a couple of dollies. The back end has no rear axle so is sitting on it's springs. After this cuppa I'm just about to knock up some timber blocks so I can jack it & get the back on a dolly. The roll over spits I'll lift with farm jacks which'll be swappable between the two cars on spits.

I have accumulated most panels including as I say the inner sills. The "fun" is when you replace the easily available outer arch or lower corner but then have to make the inner. Scuttle won't be fun either!

Indeed, you can make them. Still got it in fact, though its currently holding up someone elses Alpine project!

Piccy here of it. It was crude but it worked. Done 4 cars on it now.

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Posted 23 April 2016 - 07:01 PM

View PostNickfromwales, on 23 April 2016 - 10:56 AM, said:

Roger, he's like the doctor from Back To The Future.
Where he's going he doesn't NEED roads ;).
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He mightn't need roads but he will definitely need rods and lots of them when the welding starts.

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 05:45 AM

I always liked the Mk1 Spitfire, GT6 even more so.

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 06:56 AM

View PostSteamyTea, on 24 April 2016 - 05:45 AM, said:

I always liked the Mk1 Spitfire, GT6 even more so.

And the bonus of these two is the separate chassis. If only Ford had gone this route instead of the monococque..... :lol:

The Spit and GT6 are a bit weird from memory in that despite the separate chassis if you get major sill rot the body can still sag down as the sills are structural. The Vitesse I think has perpendicular outriggers in place of structural sills. Fella across the road when I lived at home as a kid did up a Spit for his (super fit aka teenage fantasy) missus so I spent a fair bit of time over there looking at the "car" and feigning interest in all things Triumph. ;)

There are a few Capri lads who have in effect built their own chassis to sit alongside / under the existing, generally to cope with serious power plants.

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 07:16 AM

I have a confession to make.
I have owned 3 MGBs.
One Roaster, 2 GTs.
So I know nothing about classic cars.

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 07:22 AM

Fact:
They've sold more MGB Haynes manuals than actual MGB's!

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 07:34 AM

View PostSteamyTea, on 24 April 2016 - 07:16 AM, said:

I have a confession to make.
I have owned 3 MGBs.
One Roaster, 2 GTs.
So I know nothing about classic cars.

The neighbour's brother in law was always about and he raced V8s. Then my mate had a GT up in London and a banker type bought it off him mainly as it came with a parking space. He'd hung onto it from his bachelor days but the guy made him an offer etc. He said it was super strange coming out of the house every day and seeing "his" car outside his house still.

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 07:35 AM

Fact: There's more MK1 Escort Mexicos on the road than were ever made! ;)

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Posted 24 April 2016 - 07:39 AM

The thing I really liked about the MGBs was the Haynes manual.
It said that when removing the starter motor you would need a crow bar and a mallet!

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 03:33 PM

Certainly won't be swinging any cats in the garage any time soon! With the S moved over and soft trim stacked on top I was able to make room for the Cabaret:

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Need more storage space before I do much else on these. Up in the roof is the possible favourite at the mo. And when I do there's plenty.....to do:

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Here endeth the thread for a while I think. Back to bathroom duty! :( Might get a day to myself soon as my birthday's coming up and I'll look at the roll over jig then.

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 03:40 PM

I had to look twice at the first picture to see there is actually a car under all that stuff.

Looking at the rot in that body, 99% that had reached that stage would be off to the crusher. you have your work cut out.

the thing that puzles me about restoring a car like that, is you can spend hours on it, but it's wtill the same construction as when it left the factory. So if you then "use" the car. it's mot going to last any longer than it would have iriginally before you are doing it all again. So I assume you won't be using it as a daily deriver but will only let it out when the roads are dry, and never in the wnter when there's solt about.

I'll stick to my Landrover as my "classic car" It's engineering on the scale and siplicity that I just about understand.

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 04:06 PM

View PostProDave, on 25 April 2016 - 03:40 PM, said:

I had to look twice at the first picture to see there is actually a car under all that stuff.

Looking at the rot in that body, 99% that had reached that stage would be off to the crusher. you have your work cut out.

the thing that puzles me about restoring a car like that, is you can spend hours on it, but it's wtill the same construction as when it left the factory. So if you then "use" the car. it's mot going to last any longer than it would have iriginally before you are doing it all again. So I assume you won't be using it as a daily deriver but will only let it out when the roads are dry, and never in the wnter when there's solt about.

I'll stick to my Landrover as my "classic car" It's engineering on the scale and siplicity that I just about understand.

If I was to start looking at the cost then I'd never start. Much worse have been brought back from the dead believe me. Tbh it's got sentimental value this one. To give some idea of cost to have it done professionally I think the one in the link below was was approaching mid FIVE FIGURES when we asked Andy (£30K rings a bell). Have a look at the 6th picture down there was so much filler on the roof he could balance a 20p piece on its side and still be under the level:

http://www.andysauto...t/#.Vx4-P9QrLJI

Ford never built to last and had some serious water trap issues too. The Ziebarted early cars have fared much, much better, the cavity wax having done it's thing. I found the Ziebart leaflet in the drivers pack on mine.....never taken up of course by the previous owner.

Modern cavity protection and finishes can certainly slow the tin worm now on restorations together with regular under body washing etc.

Labours of love, common sense doesn't come into it I'm afraid!

+ Escape from the missus = priceless :lol:

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Posted 25 April 2016 - 04:15 PM

View PostOnoff, on 25 April 2016 - 04:06 PM, said:

If I was to start looking at the cost then I'd never start. .....

Labours of love, common sense doesn't come into it I'm afraid!

If I didn't know I would have sworn you were talking about boat ownership for a moment.

Edited by ProDave, 25 April 2016 - 04:16 PM.