Scope Of Architect Fees - What Details Are Included
Posted 17 January 2016 - 05:11 PM
I had agreed a price for design work up to tender stage for a new build.
Job is currently out to tender.
I consider that additional details are required, eg around the windows.
I may also want to have some changes made, since architect was not a good listener.
IMHO & IMPrevExperience full details should be provided by tender.
Architect tend to view that good builder will resolve,
but of course architect knows what he was thinking of, and would advise if he were managing the build,
but he is not.
So: should architect provide full details as part of the design stages?
Should all items in my design brief, which are as yet not drawn in, be included without extra charge?
What about items that I asked for on seeing first designs, but were not included?
Posted 17 January 2016 - 05:56 PM
One pitfall is if the fees are related to the moving estimate not the initial estimate or the outturn, which may bite you in the backside catch you when the estimate goes up.
Unfortunately once the terms are set it is more difficult to change. There are several threads chewing the detail over on here if you dig. But it is not easy.
If you have used a standard contract from an architecture organisation then it is likely to be set up to be in favour of the A if you have not subjected it to dot and tittle scrutiny.
Edited by ferdinand, 17 January 2016 - 05:59 PM.
Posted 17 January 2016 - 06:10 PM
A paid an architectural technician to do the detailed drawings and submit the building warrant, the "deliverable" from that package of work being a design with enough detail to satisfy building control and a full set of drawings for the builder to work from.
There was only one issue during the build with the builder having trouble lifting dimensions from a drawing so the architect updated that drawing FOC.
There are still lots of details that me and the builder had to agree as the build progressed, but I took all that on board as I was self project managing.
Posted 29 January 2016 - 11:18 AM
My architect's contract cites the various stages, but is not specific enough to define what details are provided.
Ten years ago on a previous build, my architect produced about 30-40 A4 details for eaves/gutters, windows/walls, etc.
This time architect says just enlarge screen and detail is all there....But he will produce separate copies if required, no doubt for a fee.
I am also self managing, so will have to sort the detail on site,
tho I suspect it would be useful to have eg window/wall and window/floor detail in large scale so that insulation and taping can be worked out clearly.
I am still irritated that many items in my design brief have not been included, because the architect focuses on his vision, without remembering my desires. I tried to leave him free to develop that vision, because that is what architects are for IMHO. I should have been more insistent, I guess.
Posted 29 January 2016 - 11:39 AM
Have you tried an informal, relaxed meeting? You say you are anticipating a demand for extra fees, and at the same time ask us whether an architect '...should provide...' full details at the design stage. And say the architect doesn't listen too well.
That's the perfect opportunity to have a relaxed chat about how things are going -probably not a phone call- and get a feel for his perspective. And then look for common ground: things you can agree on.
Whatever you do, don't show even a hint of irritation.
And, good luck!
Posted 29 January 2016 - 01:35 PM
This was precisely the reason I was pretty much forced to not use an architect, but design our house myself. I went around several architectural practices that were local to me, and gave each the same bullet-point brief of our requirements, scaled as "must haves" at the top down to "nice to have" at the bottom, together with the site plan and topographical survey. The highest priority was for the house to be a passive house.
I met with all four that I'd asked to give some preliminary ideas, all four ignored our primary requirement. Most had ideas that were ludicrous for a passive house, one even suggested having four large South-facing roof lights in the bedrooms! They all seemed far too keen to sell me THEIR vision, not OUR vision. None had a clue about energy efficiency or passive house design, and the whole experience really depressed me at the time.
Posted 29 January 2016 - 11:56 PM
Posted 30 January 2016 - 10:22 AM
Not really. I chose a company that build houses in a factory as panel sub-assemblies and they were able to work straight from my AutoCAD drawings to produce drawings to suit their system. There were tiny changes (a few mm) to some dimensions to get them to fit with their system, but they then provided a delivered and erected foundation and house build that was weather tight, insulated and airtight to at least PassivHaus standard. The cost was competitive, close to other quotes we had but more inclusive and to a higher energy efficiency standard and the build time was quick, 4 days to lay the foundation system then 4 1/2 days to erect the house and get it weather tight.
Edited by jsharris, 30 January 2016 - 10:22 AM.
Posted 30 January 2016 - 10:30 AM
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Posted 30 January 2016 - 11:19 AM
Is your area special in some ways they are so restrictive or that's the norm in most places ?
Posted 30 January 2016 - 11:35 AM
We do have tighter restrictions than some areas, because we are inside an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, which is a designation one down from a National Park in terms of restrictions. We also have a Grade II listed building opposite (an old mill with parts dating back to around 800 AD) and so were obliged to keep the external appearance in keeping with that.
Most areas will have some form of restrictions from planning departments, though. They always want any new building to fit in with the surrounding street scene, for example, and may want the scale and proportion of any new building to match those around. Some planning departments produce a design guide, that lists the sort of things that would like to see, that can help.
Posted 30 January 2016 - 11:56 AM
Posted 30 January 2016 - 12:09 PM
Land designations can have a massive impact on what you will be allowed to build. Anywhere inside the boundary of a National Park will have some pretty tough planning restrictions imposed, perhaps some of the toughest we have. Anywhere inside a conservation area, or an area of outstanding natural beauty, will face similar restrictions, but perhaps a little less tough. Building near an ancient monument or listed building can also result in some tough planning constraints.
In general, all land has some sort of classification and it is easier to build in some areas than it is in others. All local authority planning departments publish their planning policy and guidance, and the planning policy will usually include maps with the classification of all the land in their area.
Posted 30 January 2016 - 12:35 PM
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