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#21 tonyshouse

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 09:39 PM

Pinner indispensable for inside, don't go near a coil nailer, nails far too expensive.

I like the yellow one, my last one was blue, mostly the business ones were full priced and grey.

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 09:45 PM

View PostProDave, on 24 February 2015 - 09:21 PM, said:

Well I certainly get fred drift award. Can we get back to Nailers for Crofters sake?

I reckon the drift has saved him cash though, he was going to buy a gun for 25mm nails when in fact a framing nailer should be all he needs for the outside of the house. It was a drift in the right direction :)

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 09:54 PM

If you don't go for a coil nailer then how are you going to fire 25/35/45mm round head ring shanks into sensitive woods which have to have a good fix and have the head exposed, but slightly recessed. The coil nailer is the only weapon of choice for that work ;).
For general purpose nailing
http://www.ebay.co.u...=item2ea6ae6968

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item5889a9daed
And ring shank / annular....
http://www.ebay.co.u...=item417d9c1d1d
£34.00 for nearly 15 thousand nails :)

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item417754114d
£44.00 for nearly 11 thousand :)

Not expensive at all IMHO, vs a hammer and a sore thumb ;).
Coil nailer all the way.

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 09:56 PM

View Postwmacleod, on 24 February 2015 - 09:45 PM, said:



I reckon the drift has saved him cash though, he was going to buy a gun for 25mm nails when in fact a framing nailer should be all he needs for the outside of the house. It was a drift in the right direction :)
A framing nailer causes WAY to much face damage to finish wood surfaces so not for me sorry. I use one nearly every day and would never take it to cladding as it would be mutilated.
Regards,nick.

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 09:56 PM

And be warned...

http://news.bbc.co.u...ire/7094258.stm

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 10:10 PM

I wonder if he used stainless ones to reduce the risk of infection :lol: Nugget.

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 10:31 PM

I went out for a few hours and....a whole load of unasked questions have answers! really useful thread.

crofter - looking forward to seeing your jig - we're weighing up whether to make our own frames (we're building a 8mx10m by 3m high semi-underground garage first) and planning on making up a jig to assemble the frames on.

Edited by jamiehamy, 24 February 2015 - 10:48 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2015 - 11:14 PM

A jig is fine for making repeat shape / size / function cassettes but for window and door openings they'll be totally different. For the straighter walls I'd lay the footer from one end to the other, then build another layer back over it with exactly half staggered joints. Then place the cassettes on top of that so you know your getting a straight wall. The job I'm just finishing now had all separate cassettes and there's a definite 'kink' at each junction :-/.
After sorting a couple of timber frames out, post erection, I can only say measure, measure and re measure and once again, before squeezing the trigger on the nail gun. Timber frames have a habit of moving about a bit whilst fixing them so get some long lengths of roofing batten and us them to hold things vertical / square etc and remove them at the end.
A good laser will serve you well too, my Bosch 3-line laser is invaluable ( that's a lie, the b4stard cost me just under £400 :D ). Money exceptionally well spent as it never lies, and my spirit levels are now near redundant.
Regards, nick.

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 11:33 PM

View PostNickfromwales, on 24 February 2015 - 09:56 PM, said:

A framing nailer causes WAY to much face damage to finish wood surfaces so not for me sorry. I use one nearly every day and would never take it to cladding as it would be mutilated.
Regards,nick.

Im staying out of this because I'm pasload all the way and they are probably far too expensive for one job , but i use them for a living so the portability is priceless,

but in defence of the first fix gas nailer you can usually get a "soft head" to solve this problem, admittedly it still won't fire round heads but d heads don't really offend me

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 05:45 AM

What's a spirit level? :rolleyes:

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 09:15 AM

View PostConstructionChannel, on 24 February 2015 - 11:33 PM, said:



Im staying out of this because I'm pasload all the way and they are probably far too expensive for one job , but i use them for a living so the portability is priceless,

but in defence of the first fix gas nailer you can usually get a "soft head" to solve this problem, admittedly it still won't fire round heads but d heads don't really offend me
It's not the issue with the D ( clipped head ) nail, it's the hammer on the framing nailers that is wider than the nail head. It's very difficult / nigh on impossible to set the depth of each strike so as not to get the slot showing in the wood with the nail slightly recessed.
When framing / making stud work etc you want the nail sent home and recessed a good few mm or more so if you've not gone on square it'll still not leave the nail proud.
Gas nailers are great things but I still maintain that the middle of the road nailing can only be done with a coil nailer :)
Regard, Nick.

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 09:27 AM

Peasant.

Me? I'm an inverted snob...

http://www.silverlin...g/Levels/427637

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 09:34 AM

View Postjoiner, on 25 February 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

Peasant.

Me? I'm an inverted snob...

http://www.silverlin...g/Levels/427637
I'd normally slay Silverline as most of the stuff I've bought in the early days lasted about an hour or a day at the most.
That seems worth a punt at that price? You got one?

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 09:45 AM

Yeah, got the laser spirit-level too.

Bought 'at cost' as a punt years ago from a local hardware guy who had them both sitting on his shelf and couldn't sell. He was a local agent for Silverline and, I remember, I was just gassing after buying a load of steel cable off him and got around to why the trades were so afraid of technology, which is when he saw an opportunity to pounce and restore some cash flow.

I've never regretted the purchase and don't push Silverline because I know what the reaction is likely to be. They've both served me well and have been well used in stair and roofing work over the years.

And didn't we have a thread on nailers a while back?

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 09:57 AM

Yeah, here...

http://www.ebuild.co...gun#entry103565

http://www.ebuild.co..._hl__+nail +gun

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 05:46 PM

View PostNickfromwales, on 24 February 2015 - 09:54 PM, said:

If you don't go for a coil nailer then how are you going to fire 25/35/45mm round head ring shanks into sensitive woods which have to have a good fix and have the head exposed, but slightly recessed. The coil nailer is the only weapon of choice for that work ;).
For general purpose nailing
http://www.ebay.co.u...=item2ea6ae6968

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item5889a9daed
And ring shank / annular....
http://www.ebay.co.u...=item417d9c1d1d
£34.00 for nearly 15 thousand nails :)

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item417754114d
£44.00 for nearly 11 thousand :)

Not expensive at all IMHO, vs a hammer and a sore thumb ;).
Coil nailer all the way.

+1 on the coil nailers. Got a couple and like you bought the nails 16000 at a time. Great for fencing too.

Edited by Onoff, 25 February 2015 - 05:47 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 07:28 PM

View Postjoiner, on 25 February 2015 - 09:45 AM, said:

Yeah, got the laser spirit-level too.

Bought 'at cost' as a punt years ago from a local hardware guy who had them both sitting on his shelf and couldn't sell. He was a local agent for Silverline and, I remember, I was just gassing after buying a load of steel cable off him and got around to why the trades were so afraid of technology, which is when he saw an opportunity to pounce and restore some cash flow.

I've never regretted the purchase and don't push Silverline because I know what the reaction is likely to be. They've both served me well and have been well used in stair and roofing work over the years.

And didn't we have a thread on nailers a while back?
I want one for scribing kitchen work tops, my mate spent three figures on his and I thought that ( the one you showed ) was to good to be true tbh.
Your endorsement is good enough for me and I'll be picking one of those up forthwith. :)
Cheers, nick.

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 07:44 PM

View PostNickfromwales, on 25 February 2015 - 09:15 AM, said:

It's not the issue with the D ( clipped head ) nail, it's the hammer on the framing nailers that is wider than the nail head. It's very difficult / nigh on impossible to set the depth of each strike so as not to get the slot showing in the wood with the nail slightly recessed.
When framing / making stud work etc you want the nail sent home and recessed a good few mm or more so if you've not gone on square it'll still not leave the nail proud.
Gas nailers are great things but I still maintain that the middle of the road nailing can only be done with a coil nailer :)
Regard, Nick.

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http://m.ebay.co.uk/...9819?nav=SEARCH
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Hmmmm, you have a good point, i thought you were talking about the teeth making the damage, TBH i have never laid my hands-on a coil nailer and dislike the idea of running an air line, but i will definitely consider it as an option now, if we were ever that worried about the slot it leaves we just used a hammer and normal nails :o

about the digital level, i use the trend version, it has its flaws but for the price i can't complain. also it does not have a level on it which could be an issue but for scribes and mitres it works great
http://www.ebay.co.u...ff14=108&ff19=0

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 07:56 PM

I saw the trend one when I bought my 1/2" makita router. One of the good days when before I had a chance to pick up the 300 and something £ machine, the owner walked over and said " if you want that there's 3 left which aren't on the system so I can do it for £240 cash ".
I left with my new router and his arm which I ripped off. Anyone who knows me knows I'm a cheeky b4stard, so I also got him to chuck the 30mm collar in too :) result.
Anyhoo,
The only thing stopping me buying the trend was the exposed display which would get smashed in a heartbeat with my luck.
Enclosed display for me, and the one Joiner linked looks 100% worth a punt as it looks if it can last too. The trend, not so much :-/.
Cheers for the heads up though Ed, keep 'em coming mate !
Regards, nick.

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 08:04 PM

View PostNickfromwales, on 25 February 2015 - 07:56 PM, said:

I saw the trend one when I bought my 1/2" makita router. One of the good days when before I had a chance to pick up the 300 and something £ machine, the owner walked over and said " if you want that there's 3 left which aren't on the system so I can do it for £240 cash ".
I left with my new router and his arm which I ripped off. Anyone who knows me knows I'm a cheeky b4stard, so I also got him to chuck the 30mm collar in too :) result.
Anyhoo,
The only thing stopping me buying the trend was the exposed display which would get smashed in a heartbeat with my luck.
Enclosed display for me, and the one Joiner linked looks 100% worth a punt as it looks if it can last too. The trend, not so much :-/.
Cheers for the heads up though Ed, keep 'em coming mate !
Regards, nick.

Some people have all the luck :P
I should reply defending the robustness of the trend considering i haven't broken mine yet and i work in a whirlwind of destruction so if something is going to break it almost definitely will. BUT I'm not going to say that because we both know what would happen the next time i use it if i did